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Moving to as a young family: Rennes, Strasbourg, Toulouse or Geneva? (or any other city not Paris?)

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13 posts · ed 2024
Hello all, bonjour !

So we are a young family, I speak both English and fluent French, while my wife speaks English only, just starting to learn French, and we got a 3-year-old kid who speaks some English and is just starting to learn French from me. We are ethnically from Asia but we are European citizens and have been calling Norway our home for many years now. Our life is comfortable here, the work-life balance is great (a lot on the side of life), but it lacks any drama, plus education is of a poor quality, both the education and health systems are broken, so we are looking to move to , a country where I have lived in the past (and whose social and political problems I don't mind). I have clients globally, so I can be based anywhere, but my wife works in the finance sector, and she may want to find at least a part time job so that she is not sitting at home all the time. (She doesn't want to work full time for a couple of years, unless the work-life balance is great.)

Now I would like some advice about where to move. Initially, I had thought of the Grenoble-Lyon region, but later on gravitated towards Strasbourg area or somewhere near Rennes. Geneva, though, in the Lyon region, is still in the mix, but I guess I will have to make a separate post about that in another forum appropriate to Switzerland, but I still mention it here in case any forum member reading this also knows that city well. I have been to Strasbourg, delightful city though I found it a bit windy, but have never been to Brittany, though I have good experience of the Bretons I have met.

These are our parameters, so to speak:

1. The first, of course, is safety overall and not that much violence and drug culture than what is usual in a normal city. This is one of the reasons I am not thinking of Grenoble anymore. This is one of the reasons I am not thinking of Marseille, though I love that city in many respects. I also like a lot of energy in a city, which is why I often like big, bustling cities in general.

2. Tolerant, open people. Usually, I have never had much of an issue in about racism or intolerance, except on one occasion in a rural area in Auvergne region, but still putting this here in case some place is notoriously bad about it. If people are open, too, that is a big plus. This is one issue we are facing in Norway, as most people here it only their kindergarten friends into their social circle.

3. Education quality. Since my child barely speaks any French right now, I would probably initially enroll him into an international school or a bilingual school, where both French and English are utilised. He is anyway at kindergarten age right now. Later, if he gets decent in French, he can the public school system or continue with an international school, whichever suits at that point of time. Education is one of the main reasons that we are moving from Norway, so this is a big point for us.

4. Good homes, good public transport infrastructure. We are not heavy s of the car, we like to use bicycle or public transport. My wife has motion sickness, too, so she doesn't like to sit even in public transport (esp. buses) for a long time. Which means that usually we would live in some nice city centre area or very well connected city area. We do travel internationally a lot, taking long-distance trains or flights, so a well-functioning airport or good connectivity to CdG is a plus.

5. Activities to do. This is also one of the reasons we are planning to leave Norway, as besides winter sports, there is little to do here. Not even many films to watch or any cinema clubs.

6. Language barrier. While my wife is starting to learn French, she may probably get enough just to get by in some day-to-day situations but not what is needed for a professional working environment. Which means that if a city is a bit more English friendly, that might be better.

7. Climate. I prefer a moderate climate, my wife dislikes too much rain.

Considering all the above, what would be your options in or near (e.g., Geneva or Milan)? Of course, one doesn't get everything everywhere. For example, Rennes has a moderate climate but maybe has more of a language barrier than Strasbourg, but Strasbourg is a bit too small maybe plus the climate.

Edit: I had not thought of Toulouse for some reason, how is that compared to the other options?

Thanks in advance!
 
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I think Toulouse ticks your points 1 to 6 but the climate needs to be regarded with care. Toulouse has a dry climate, very dry, and cool in winter but hot in summer - way too hot for some people. It suits us well but it won't suit everyone. It's a multicultural city, lots of Spanish influence (I heard on the news last night that 10% of the population has Spanish origins) and a lot of international workers and students, linked, I suppose, to the aerospace industries. Drug trafficking is a growing problem but probably no worse than typical big cities. There are international schools, but a 3 year old will absorb a foreign language like a sponge as soon as they are immersed in it: I wouldn't worry too much on that score. As for getting by in English for working, it may be possible - I don't know, perhaps others can comment on that. I know for sure that there are some young people who work in English and I also know that a few of our French friends speak more English than they like to let on. But getting up to speed in French will be important for your wife and even if there are English dominated jobs she will need French as well, not least for making everyday life easier. There are lots of tourists so English is commonly heard. There are plenty of cultural activities and plenty of associations to : that's the best way to meet people and make friends.

It's definitely worth a look and nothing beats an exploratory trip ! But message me if you have specific questions you'd like to put.
 
Hi - just back from Toulouse and it's lovely there. My wife is French and has lived in multiple places in - and was really taken by it. Her first time there in Toulouse though.
My parents are Indian and hers are Korean - and we didn't feel as though we stood out - lots of colours there.
The central square in Toulouse has a lovely feel to it. Lots of Universities and students which gives the place a nice feel. I believe Toulouse is 's 4th city. We figure we've relatively easy access to Lyons and Montpellier (free motorways from Toulouse) and Spain (when we need heat!!) from around about there and so it suits us.
The Atlantic coast isn't too far away either - which is lovely also - maybe a bit more interesting than the Mediterranean!

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We figure we've relatively easy access to Lyons and Montpellier (free motorways from Toulouse) and Spain (when we need heat!!) from around about there and so it suits us.
Free to Clermont too!
Glad you liked Toulouse :) but must correct you about the motorways. The autoroutes from Toulouse a toll roads in most directions: Montpellier, Spain (towards Barcelona), Spain (towards Irun), north as far as Brive then it's free as far as Vierzon, but there are tolls towards Clermont and Lyon. This file (PDF) gives all the tarifs for the Vinci network in the south. The Michelin online route maps also calculate the toll charges for a given itinerary.
 
Thanks to both of you! I have visited Toulouse before as a tourist, and really liked the energy, but somehow I had not thought of it earlier. How is the quality of homes or apartments there? Does one have to live far from the city centre to have new or renovated apartments with the building having lifts? Having a young child means we often use the stroller a lot, so climbing several flights of stairs is not something we would be looking forward to.

@SB_Cambridge, even though we are European citizens, my parents, too, are Indians and hers Chinese, so bit of in the same boat. Good to know that we probably wouldn't stick out in the crowd.
 
There is a massive building program for new apartments in Toulouse, which receives around 10,000 new residents each year. Most of this building is in the close suburbs, say 2, 3 or 4 km from the centre. There are many older buildings nearer the centre but the prices are high. I would expect the new buildings all to have lifts, but you'd be better informed by browsing the estate agents websites
 
One more thing to ask, in case anyone knows, though I guess that must be standard all over , not specific to the Toulouse academie: so that the child gets into the school system, by when will we have to move? The child will turn 4 in August, which is when I guess schools also start. Does one need to move by April-May so as to complete the formalities of ission?
 
Just a word about the motorways and such. The toll roads are the "autoroutes" designated by an A prefix - so, the A10, A7, etc. In many cases, there are "national" roads that run roughly parallel to the A routes, and these are free to use. However, the speed limits vary (sometimes every 100 meters or so) as the roads through towns and differing types and quality of roads. The national routes were very often the predecessors to the autoroute and they are designated by the prefix N.

The autoroutes have standard services, with roadside "rest areas" at fairly regular intervals, including fueling (and now often charging) stations, toilets, restaurant and snack facilities, etc. Speed limits on the autoroutes are pretty much uniform. On the national routes, you're pretty much limited to whatever services there are in the towns you through and the regular speed limits apply as you enter and leave towns or encounter divided roadways. (Just be careful to stick to the speed limits as they change.)
 
Just a word about the motorways and such. The toll roads are the "autoroutes" designated by an A prefix - so, the A10, A7, etc. In many cases, there are "national" roads that run roughly parallel to the A routes, and these are free to use. However, the speed limits vary (sometimes every 100 meters or so) as the roads through towns and differing types and quality of roads. The national routes were very often the predecessors to the autoroute and they are designated by the prefix N.

The autoroutes have standard services, with roadside "rest areas" at fairly regular intervals, including fueling (and now often charging) stations, toilets, restaurant and snack facilities, etc. Speed limits on the autoroutes are pretty much uniform. On the national routes, you're pretty much limited to whatever services there are in the towns you through and the regular speed limits apply as you enter and leave towns or encounter divided roadways. (Just be careful to stick to the speed limits as they change.)
We were running 3 GPS - Ford, Navmii and Sygic as we travelled around the area and picked the speed which they seemed to agree upon! Will have to find an app that is most up to date to ensure we don't do anything naughty on the roads - in the South - lots of the new style of radar (scary things that look like they're capable of shooting out lasers) and nearly all of the ones we ed had been disabled by local residents encased in tyres, bags and spray-paint! Not popular I guess. The news seemed to suggest that they're able to do more than check speed and as @Touloob mentioned - lots of news stories on the tyre thing. Now I don't know how to change my tyres :) - time to learn I guess!
 
I have deferred moving for some time, but I did visit a few cities. I liked Rennes the most among all, though the lack of affordable international connectivity of Rennes airport with other parts of the world goes against it (and that is an important factor for me, being an expat), given that even if the city is connected through high-speed train to Paris, but it is often quite a task in itself to then connect to Paris airport (unless I were to take the TGV train to Paris CDG itself). What I liked the most about Rennes was its cleanliness, modern and frequent public transport (including automated metro, which won't go on strike) and the general ambience of the city, neither too small nor too big.
 
Hello. Might you tell me more of what you learned about Rennes? Do you know anything about the public school system? I have a seven-year-old. (And we will both be taking French language classes.) What about access to hospitals? Good healthcare? Any knowledge you could share would be much appreciated!
 
A great place to start is with the website of the mairie (town hall), whether for Rennes or any other town you're interested in:
Most mairie websites have information about the schools, public events and festivals, and matters even down to garbage collection, parking regulations. Healthcare can be difficult to assess from a distance - though the town site may have some information on hospitals in the area, particularly the public hospitals. I see the Rennes site includes a section on Installing yourself in Rennes, which should be of interest.
 
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